Immigration Ban HURTING Games Industry?

While it is possible to work from home (and technological advances have made it much easier), there are real benefits to be able to work in the same location as your coworkers. For example, in your hypothetical case where the RT crew got stuck in Australia, none of them would be able to shoot with anyone still in Austin. Not to mention the expense of having to setup in Australia for just 6 months.

@Skotos , if you called INSOMNIAC GAMES and asked them

how many employees are not at work because those employees

(folks either citizens or already have US Work Visas, since they have been working in US)

are stuck in Somolia or Afganistan....

what number do you think Insomniac Games will say?

If their answer is "Thats not the point!", then the number is probably zero, and they are not actually hurt.  Thats what I mean by Disingenuous 

Hamilton Jan 1788
one is at a loss whether to treat it with gravity or with raillery; whether to consider it as a mere trial of skill, like the paradoxes of rhetoricians; as a disingenuous artifice to instil prejudices at any price; or as the serious offspring of political fanaticism. 

@RWBimbie

First comment:

You and some extra-national coworkers could be gathered at a satellite facility anywhere on the globe, and do your computer work for a any company anywhere

[Rooster teeth example]

So, when folks say they cant get computer work done
because so many needed game industry people are stuck in Iran, Iraq, and Somalia
.... I find that kinda disingenuous

Second comment:

how many employees are not at work because those employees... are stuck in Somolia or Afganistan....

If their answer is "Thats not the point!", then the number is probably zero, and they are not actually hurt.  Thats what I mean by Disingenuous

Are you arguing that companies are disingenuous because people can telecommute, or that their employees aren't stuck overseas?

What if the RT crew got stuck in Australia for 6months?
Well, they would lease a warehouse, lease some furniture, have some drives ISO mirrored off RTAustin computers and cloned to some computers at RTAusie, and ship some broadcast / recording equipment.  Then they would make RT content at RTAusie and just file transfer it to RTAustin

@RWBimbie I would also appreciate it if you responded to my comment. Do you think being separated from their family, friends and coworkers in the US and being forced to pay for local office space and personal accommodation won't adversely affect RT? This quote implied you didn't think so.

"But we might have the fourth act of Islamic terrorism inside our borders in history" doesn't belong in a report on video games. People know why the ban is happening. It doesn't need to be said and it doesn't belong here. 

Gaming companies reacted to the ban and The Know is reporting on that reaction. If a gaming company had sent out a tweet that read something like: "Thanks to the heightened travel regulations, we'll be able publish Oil Tycoon 3: Sheikh's Revenge early because we can't go to GDC", I am sure The Know would have delighted in mentioning that. They only reported one side of the issue because there really isn't another side. In an industry as global and high tech as gaming, restrictions like this are pretty much unilaterally bad for business, which is very different from saying that the travel ban is a bad thing overall.

Fair enough BlackIce, and I haven't gone out and looked for tweets to the contrary or anything of the sort. But in my experience I have never, ever seen a controversy that is truly so clear cut in any area for it to be considered just "good" or "bad". it may bring new difficulties that weren't present before or it may actually do part of what the Trump administration hopes for which is provide greater incentive for domestic companies to hire domestically instead of foreign because it's cheaper. And as for all the people that are U.S. citizens who share an ethnicity with those countries that keep saying they're "scared to leave because it might be hard to get back in", the bill says nothing of the sort, if you're a citizen then you're golden, zero complications. That alone makes it not capable of being racist, not to mention that it is a time sensitive bill so unless they think that every member of that race or religion is somehow going to change in 120 days then neither is that evidence of anything. My point was simply if you show one perspective and ONLY one perspective, that can have dangerous implications.

People are scared they won't get back in because people of dual nationality have been stopped and held and others have been told they can not be given a guarantee they would be allowed back in... I would be scared too.

There was no outrage because he didn't spend months saying that the population was extremely dangerous and expressed interest in making religion a criteria for immigration status approval. It really doesn't help that nobody has explained how "extreme vetting" is different from having the highest immigration security standards on the planet to begin with.

No recent terrorist in the US comes from any of those countries, those terrorists have only come from countries that Drumpf's (son's) businesses deal with... Saudi Arabia et al..

The vetting already in place is much more than done for other much more ready sources of terrorists (e.g. the US itself) or violent crime offenders, who create just as much terror (e.g. Mexico).

As for the top ten Muslim countries... if you only include Muslim majority countries... which is what most people are reporting them as, Iraq and Sudan are also in the top ten (as well as Iran (see Wikipedia "Muslim World" page for example) and all of the countries are Muslim majority countries (with one at about 92% and the others all over 95% Muslim); did he include North Korean immigrants on the list? Or does he not think there is a terrorist threat from North Korea? What about Ireland? There have been hundreds of terrorists who were Irish (though I guess maybe only one or two who have ever terrorised America in any way). Point is... no one trust Drumpf to be honest... and given his incessant lying... sorry Alternative Facts... who can blame them?

@The14th could you please cite your source or quote the exact verbiage in the executive order that states a religious criteria must be met for immigration status approval?  Maybe I missed it.

@RiverRunnig your facts are wrong and I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

@JonnyVicious Wasn't talking about the order, and you already know that. I was talking about the multitude of speeches he was making on the campaign trail. His stated goal was to ban all Muslims from entering the country until "extreme vetting" could be put into place, not just from the Middle East. He also stated after assuming office that he would prefer to only admit Christians from the region (which would require a test of religion in the immigration screening process).

And I'll respond for RiverRunning that the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, Boston bombers from Kyrgyzstan, and The Orlando & San Burnadino Shooters from the USA (and therefore would not be stopped by the ban).