Bans for In-Game Slurs

@CommonCourt3sy Not a slur, so no.

@CommonCourt3sy actually I got banned for 7 days for saying fuck.

@maka556 Swearing can be seen as toxic behavior. These new rules don't just apply to slurs. It's taking on ever spectrum of "toxic" behavior. So saying fuck, mild trash talking, or just being good and being reported enough times can be viewed as toxic. There's no way in hell they'll be able to distinguish between actual toxic players and innocent people who suffer from mass flagging. Not to mention I don't trust anyone to monitor "hate speech" since that means drastically different things to different people.

@slapstick78 Can we all go back to the earlier days of the internet where trash talking was acceptable and we weren't all these lily white pusses who can't handle people cussing them out? I think it's hilarious when some 12 year old calls me a slur because I just wrecked him in an online game. People need to grow up.

@bakonhawk hard to get into a new match if you're banned...

@majespecter But how could we expect people to self police? We need the developers to ban people because they say mean things and my feelings were hurt!

@majespecter That only works when the majority aren't doing it, I don't want to have to spend my whole time creating mute lists of all the dicks in games who want to swear like a docker. If you are goi g to fall back on that the the only reasonable system these days is eveyone is default muted until you unsure them... you really want that?

@RiverRunning Except the majority aren't doing it. The overwhelming majority of gamers are either nice or just silent. The toxic people are a loud extremely fringe minority. Also mute lists? All you have to do is hover over their names and hit mute. That's it. No list required. The chance of running into that person again are extremely rare, unless the game has hardly any players. An algorithm has time after time shown to punish normal people over the most idiotic or minor infractions.

@FREAKY_GEEKY also this does not infringe on freedom of speech because video games aren't meant to be an avenue to for such dialogue

@FREAKY_GEEKY You don't get freedom of speech when playing an online game, they reserve the right to silence you because you're on their service.

@FREAKY_GEEKY Most countries don't have freedom of speech for exactly the reason of people being dicks... we understand that if you keep being a dick then you deserve what you get - in the UK you'll get done for breach of the peace if you swear at people in public; dunno what the charge would be online but a criminal charge is what you deserve for disrespecting everyone who hears you, never mind the person you aimed it at.

@Col_Gob_Knobbler Thank you, that's what I was trying to say.

@slapstick78 True, there will definitely be some abuse of the feature however at least in the Rainbow 6 example they mention that after a couple auto-bans there will be an actual investigation done into whether it needs to become a permaban. As for how effective this measure is, I think will depend on how genuine the investigation is.

@slapstick78 I think you'd be deluding yourself if you think that their (almost certainly) very mild auto-ban system caught many, if any, people who didn't deserve to be banned for half an hour; auto-banning those who use the n word seems entirely reasonable to me but maybe I'm too sensitive to these things or MAYBE I just don't like all the toxicity on so many of the public forums of the internet and am at a loss as to where to allow my child to browse without having to see venomous comments and chat around every corner - not even Nintendo is always safe now :(

@RiverRunning What's delusional is believing a system like this doesn't cause problems for many innocent people. We've seen time and time again in not just games but social media platforms where algorithms that are meant to curb toxicity ends up punishing people who weren't being toxic. Also when you make a blanket statement like "say this and your banned" you're completely ignoring context to the conversation and making monsters out of innocent people. Example, it's considered OK in society for black people to say the N-word. So if the person who got permabanned was black aren't you not just punishing an innocent person but acting a little racist yourself? What if he was saying it to his friend in a joking manner. No malice intended. Should he be permabanned? As for your kid, Many websites allow parental blocks which include blocking out comments. Even then you have to realize you cant shield your child forever. The best thing is to prepare for that inevitability. Get ready to explain to them what these words mean, why they shouldn't be said, and teach them the "sticks and stones" quote. Having him develop a tough skin will better prepare him.

@slapstick78 I don't think you understand how toxic a lot of stuff really is when you consider it from the perspective of a parent of a three year old. Preparing them for understanding a few words is one thing, teaching them to handle the torrent of abuse and constant string of vitriol from some occasional dicks who are hiding behind their "anonimity" is another thing entirely, it's not just the words; kids have feelings and they often take a lot of things seriously that more experienced older people would let wash off them and I don't want to have to explain all of this to a three year old because that in itself is more than any reasonable teaching genius could reasonably do, never mind the average parent. And, yes, parental controls exist but my kid has learned how to defeat all of the ones that exist on her tablet games - she did so in six months when she was two... the only reason this is not a problem is because there is no payment information on it explicitly because of that issue, and yes, she does understand that pressing the right buttons would get her more games on 'her' tablet and is annoyed by that restriction. When you grow up with computers you can out do you elders so much more quickly than they can handle when they are given the piece of shit parental, privacy and security controls that are usually offered. Her first machine will run a proper OS (Linux) for a reason.

@fakenerdscout I'd agree if he DIDN'T HATE OREOS WHAT THE HELL BRIAN love you